I love how Democrats get pussy when a Republican is happy that Bush won (“Stop gloating, geez!”), then pulls crap like this.
So, what? Are we allowed to gloat, now?
Not really. The majority of Canadians I know don’t want Americans in their country. And I certainly didn’t say anything about America being a horrible, horrible country and being completely devastated by Bush’s reign. I’m just apologizing in advance for whatever he does to the rest of the world in the next 4 years.
Whatever he does? Bush won’t do anything. He’ll just make some decisions. Bush, himself, will be sitting in the White House for most of the next four years. It’s America that’s doing these things.
He certainly wasn’t sitting in the White House for most of the past four years. 😉 (cough vacation cough.)
And by Bush, it’s sorta implied that we mean his administration. I’ve said this before.
Bush, his administration, it doesn’t matter. It’s America that put him in power, it’s America that does whatever he decides.
People like you are the reason Bush is in power, no, not republicans, ideological dipshits that can’t clearly discern right from wrong. There is no point in arguing with you, I could smack your ass down on everything you have to say in Bush’s defense, but you’d probably sidewind it with an excuse like you’ve done in this journal, so consider this my only comment to you here.
How frustrating it must be, then, to share a country with stupid immoral jackasses like me =)
Only because Jeffrey allowed me to say anything further, I will; unlike your previous assumptions that moving to Canada would solve the problem of having to share the land you walk on, like me: some of us don’t have the means to do so. As well, this country isn’t filled with people like you, only a little more than half, sadly, but then again…
Just like you had said in this comment, it was very very hard to defend Bush; and as valid as that statement was coming from a republican who seems doesn’t believe everything they hear from their superiors, you are like-minded to Bush. Allow me to reiterate: Instead of sitting on your ass having everything handed to you on a silver platter since you are “upper class”, you are also ruthless, if you think Bush had right of way to bomb innocent land, kill people and innocent children in the process, and continue to invade a country, in the entire time finding a man out of power (Saddam), and the wrong man responsible for our attack at that, thus disrespecting their eastern culture by staying there, or what some republicans would call it: freeing a nation… just to get oil because no one could stop us? Ever since he said the words “bring it on”, our soldiers have been dropping like flies, and while he was just beginning his ventures as a “business man” in the oil business, reporters said this:
In 1990 when bush was a director of Harken energy he received a memo from company lawyers, warning directors not to sell stock if they had any unfavorable information about the company, one week later he sold $848,000.00 worth of Harken stock, two months later, Harken reported losses of more than $23 million dollars. It should be no surprise why this country is deathly in debt, he doesn’t seem dumb, he is dumb. And so are you, if you stand behind a man that seems to work in favor of only your family’s best interests instead of the rest of the world as a whole.
Supposedly he doesn’t like Bush necessarily, but his administration’s doings. We’ve already concluded that Bush’s stupidity is a very important factor, but not one that would hinder his entire administration from making decisions. Why not focus on them a bit and what the rest of them has done? I’m sure it’d be pretty easy.
And to clarify, yet again, by what I mean by allowing anyone to continue further: I treat my comment threads as a public forum. I won’t censor anyone. I let my friend Hannah bitch out this young mother without telling her to stop. And she was brutal! 😛
Because having friends like Dick Cheney, it shouldn’t be a question of whether or not it was his administration’s decisions: Cheney is a monster.
Not only did he claim to be against the release of Nelson Mandela, but was against Martin Luther King being a federal holiday. Despite the lack of actions being taken as far as I know, when he was asked for confirmation of his motives, he didn’t answer. How could anyone answer something like that? They couldn’t.
“There is no point in arguing with you, I could smack your ass down on everything you have to say in Bush’s defense, but you’d probably sidewind it with an excuse like you’ve done in this journal, so consider this my only comment to you here.”
That aside…
No, I’m not going to pretend to be a noble altruist who does everything for the sake of others; and if you think I’m alone in that area, you’re sadly mistaken. If you think that only 51% of the population does what they do for themselves or their own people, then you’d be wrong again. Nobody’s going to admit that they’re ultimately looking at for number one but hell, that’s human nature. Perhaps you are of that tiny minority where everything you do is for others, and if so, kudos. But I ain’t gonna pretend to be otherwise. I vote for what a President can ultimately do for me. Do you not do the same?
As for the other issues… with Bush came a high national debt, and with Kerry came higher taxes. I’d honestly prefer the national debt. Because, quite frankly, to me, a national debt is nothing more than an arbitrary set of numbers. They will never apply to me. Higher taxes, however, will–immediately and painfully.
And do not presume to know me, boy. I was born and spent the first years of my life on a tobacco farm in the middle of bum-fuck Kentucky. Nothing in life has ever, ever been handed to me. My father worked incredibly hard to get where he’s at, and very few things in my life have been handed to me on a silver platter. My college career, my car, my computer… pretty much everything I bought with my own money. Which I earned by working, not with any allowance.
As for calling me ruthless; that’s just a pointless attack. I happen to believe in a Darwellian society when it comes to international politics. If you can really say with a straight face that somebody who believes in a different political ideology is different than you, then we’ve got a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Now if you’d like to continue this debate, keep it a debate. The namecalling and all that, it’s rather uncalled for wouldn’t you say? I’d also like to direct your attention, for a moment, to the difference between “literal” and “metaphorical”. I did not suggest Jeff move to Canada; I was making a point.
You quote me for personal reverence in the fact that I did wind up replying to you a second time, and I explained that, even more ironically, and then you misquote me? Or is it that you’re taking what I said out of given context?
I’d have the mind to keep this short since this seems like the latter, but, you presented yourself as upper class for being a hick, you should expect following judgement, you are equally to blame. Also, do not try to scrape for insults at the bottom of the barrel just because of the words I chose to use to excersize my point, in this case, you’re copping the fact that I called you ruthless.. as pointless, yet you pay mind to it.
As for calling me “boy” I did not go: “OMFG STFU STUPID KERRY HATER”, that too, I also judged purely on your choice of words, I am a grown man, you on the other hand need to form slightly more coherent thought to convince me otherwise. If you don’t want to be presented as ruthless, then you’d do best to present yourself in a manner which did not scream “I only care about my money and not the innocent people overseas.”
Lastly, I unless you read that I called you a noble altruist, then I did not say it, but I don’t expect any different, after all, you had to break down and tell me about your personal life when I did not ask for it. I am curious as to the point you were trying to make with your “metaphor” about Canada, though.
Nah, you even told me you’re not going to write more comments and then after asking me then you posted more.
When we spoke about this discussion on AIM, as far as I recall, you told me that you’d rather him hear it than you, I took that as “feel free to debate”. Since I clearly misunderstood you, I’ll stop from this point.
Nonononono, I’m just clarifying. You’re not doing anything that I didn’t say you could. I’m just being fair in saying that you were slightly contradicting yourself when you said you wouldn’t be commenting anymore.
I’m not bothered by this discussion at all; I’d rather it didn’t stop. 😛
I explained that, and with how he once again “sidewinded” away from the true heart of the matter, was proven, that and I explained afterward that I didn’t want to spam your journal. But okay.
Good points, all of them. I’m not educated or intelligent enough to refute them, so it would seem victory is yours =)
Please, correct me if I’m wrong. This is an observation.
You affirm your political stance due to the notion that what your candidate does is beneficial to you… to me, this “uncaring” seems like you’d rather have the candidate that punishes those below you. I’m sure I’m wrong in assuming that you care at all about anyone else, but still, when has anyone in history really wanted to hurt those “below” them, in furthering their cause? I can only think of one prominent mustachioed figure from the early 20th century…
Basically, your stance seems contrarian. You’d rather go against what everyone (in this case, those on LiveJournal) desires, because you know that, at least financially, you’re above a lot of them. But uh…
Do you really make more than $200,000 a year?
Do THESE people look like they make more than $200,000 a year?
Bob’s reason for voting for Bush certainly doesn’t seem like anyone else’s.
It’s gotta be that new chromed out lawnmower.
The gold plated toilet seat, actually =)
And that’s why we’re apologizing for what we’re about to do.
We’d rather take the states that went democratic along with the citizens, thank you very much. The rural areas will be happy with our conservative party and will enjoy hating the French while the liberal people can enjoy rule from a party with the values of the democratic party and the political savvy of the republicans.
Red states won’t miss places Boston, New York, Detroit and most of California anyway… It’s places like that that made it flyover country. As a deal sweetner… Red states get COMPLETE control over Nascar.
Well, tough shit. You don’t get the states. You get a choice: stay in a country that in the next four years is going to apparently raise Hell, or find another one.
Ooh, a redneck joke. Nice. So now Bush supporters are all Nascar loving hillbillies?
I think a bigger question would be, are all people who love Nascar hillbillies? I think you slandered people more than I did…
I’m simply stating Nascar is a lucrative business and exclusive control over it would generate a hefty amount of revenue that would more than make up for the loss of the democratic or ‘wrong’ states.
And of course we can’t take the blue states… The best ones like New York and Cali have republican governors in place… Who says checks and balances doesn’t work? =P
Oh, of course. You were just making a random statement about an arbitrary company that the red states tend to enjoy. My mistake. So sweet of you to offer it, Ran. You’re truly a selfless man.
Why are you being so testy? You’re supposed to be convalescing with thoughts of national unity after your months and months of vicious long term consequence having, nation seperating , ideological warfare.
I’m just saying many Canadians feel if you guys are gonna break up… We’d let the blue states stay with us for awhile. They’d be red up here.
I’m a Republican who was born and spent the first six years of his life on a southern tobacco farm. You came out and called us all rednecks. Why shouldn’t I be irritated?
Because showing your irritation kind of presents to anyone who may be watching that you agree with your own interpretation of my statement. Ergo the only person calling yourself a redneck with some sort of slander behind it, thus far is yourself.
It doesn’t show I agree with anything. It shows that I know that just because an insult was veiled, it’s still a damn insult.
Everybody associates Nascar with rednecks, racism, Confederate flags, and the like. That fact is indisputable. Should one of these third parties you mentioned actually read your “The red states can have Nascar!” comment, what do you think they’d think of first, Ran? Would it be “Wow, the South can have a big, successful business!”?
And no, I haven’t ever watched Nascar. I personally don’t care for it. But it’s still an unfair generalization to most of my family.
It wasn’t an insult. You’re very sensitive about it. Again it sounds like your issue isn’t with me but your heritage and maybe Nascar. Are you a self loathing republican?
thats so beautiful
If I can get my camera working, I will apologize myself. :<
Wow. That’s … really cool. I want to submit something.
I love how Democrats get pussy when a Republican is happy that Bush won (“Stop gloating, geez!”), then pulls crap like this.
So, what? Are we allowed to gloat, now?
Yes, exactly. We’ll just stand next to you embarrassed.
It’s a free country.
Which, of course, you don’t have to enjoy. I hear Canada’s got some nice and welcoming arms nowadays.
Not really. The majority of Canadians I know don’t want Americans in their country. And I certainly didn’t say anything about America being a horrible, horrible country and being completely devastated by Bush’s reign. I’m just apologizing in advance for whatever he does to the rest of the world in the next 4 years.
Whatever he does? Bush won’t do anything. He’ll just make some decisions. Bush, himself, will be sitting in the White House for most of the next four years. It’s America that’s doing these things.
He certainly wasn’t sitting in the White House for most of the past four years. 😉 (cough vacation cough.)
And by Bush, it’s sorta implied that we mean his administration. I’ve said this before.
Bush, his administration, it doesn’t matter. It’s America that put him in power, it’s America that does whatever he decides.
People like you are the reason Bush is in power, no, not republicans, ideological dipshits that can’t clearly discern right from wrong. There is no point in arguing with you, I could smack your ass down on everything you have to say in Bush’s defense, but you’d probably sidewind it with an excuse like you’ve done in this journal, so consider this my only comment to you here.
How frustrating it must be, then, to share a country with stupid immoral jackasses like me =)
Only because Jeffrey allowed me to say anything further, I will; unlike your previous assumptions that moving to Canada would solve the problem of having to share the land you walk on, like me: some of us don’t have the means to do so. As well, this country isn’t filled with people like you, only a little more than half, sadly, but then again…
Just like you had said in this comment, it was very very hard to defend Bush; and as valid as that statement was coming from a republican who seems doesn’t believe everything they hear from their superiors, you are like-minded to Bush. Allow me to reiterate:
Instead of sitting on your ass having everything handed to you on a silver platter since you are “upper class”, you are also ruthless, if you think Bush had right of way to bomb innocent land, kill people and innocent children in the process, and continue to invade a country, in the entire time finding a man out of power (Saddam), and the wrong man responsible for our attack at that, thus disrespecting their eastern culture by staying there, or what some republicans would call it: freeing a nation… just to get oil because no one could stop us? Ever since he said the words “bring it on”, our soldiers have been dropping like flies, and while he was just beginning his ventures as a “business man” in the oil business, reporters said this:
In 1990 when bush was a director of Harken energy he received a memo from company lawyers, warning directors not to sell stock if they had any unfavorable information about the company, one week later he sold $848,000.00 worth of Harken stock, two months later, Harken reported losses of more than $23 million dollars. It should be no surprise why this country is deathly in debt, he doesn’t seem dumb, he is dumb. And so are you, if you stand behind a man that seems to work in favor of only your family’s best interests instead of the rest of the world as a whole.
Supposedly he doesn’t like Bush necessarily, but his administration’s doings. We’ve already concluded that Bush’s stupidity is a very important factor, but not one that would hinder his entire administration from making decisions. Why not focus on them a bit and what the rest of them has done? I’m sure it’d be pretty easy.
And to clarify, yet again, by what I mean by allowing anyone to continue further: I treat my comment threads as a public forum. I won’t censor anyone. I let my friend Hannah bitch out this young mother without telling her to stop. And she was brutal! 😛
Because having friends like Dick Cheney, it shouldn’t be a question of whether or not it was his administration’s decisions: Cheney is a monster.
Not only did he claim to be against the release of Nelson Mandela, but was against Martin Luther King being a federal holiday. Despite the lack of actions being taken as far as I know, when he was asked for confirmation of his motives, he didn’t answer. How could anyone answer something like that? They couldn’t.
“There is no point in arguing with you, I could smack your ass down on everything you have to say in Bush’s defense, but you’d probably sidewind it with an excuse like you’ve done in this journal, so consider this my only comment to you here.”
That aside…
No, I’m not going to pretend to be a noble altruist who does everything for the sake of others; and if you think I’m alone in that area, you’re sadly mistaken. If you think that only 51% of the population does what they do for themselves or their own people, then you’d be wrong again. Nobody’s going to admit that they’re ultimately looking at for number one but hell, that’s human nature. Perhaps you are of that tiny minority where everything you do is for others, and if so, kudos. But I ain’t gonna pretend to be otherwise. I vote for what a President can ultimately do for me. Do you not do the same?
As for the other issues… with Bush came a high national debt, and with Kerry came higher taxes. I’d honestly prefer the national debt. Because, quite frankly, to me, a national debt is nothing more than an arbitrary set of numbers. They will never apply to me. Higher taxes, however, will–immediately and painfully.
And do not presume to know me, boy. I was born and spent the first years of my life on a tobacco farm in the middle of bum-fuck Kentucky. Nothing in life has ever, ever been handed to me. My father worked incredibly hard to get where he’s at, and very few things in my life have been handed to me on a silver platter. My college career, my car, my computer… pretty much everything I bought with my own money. Which I earned by working, not with any allowance.
As for calling me ruthless; that’s just a pointless attack. I happen to believe in a Darwellian society when it comes to international politics. If you can really say with a straight face that somebody who believes in a different political ideology is different than you, then we’ve got a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Now if you’d like to continue this debate, keep it a debate. The namecalling and all that, it’s rather uncalled for wouldn’t you say? I’d also like to direct your attention, for a moment, to the difference between “literal” and “metaphorical”. I did not suggest Jeff move to Canada; I was making a point.
You quote me for personal reverence in the fact that I did wind up replying to you a second time, and I explained that, even more ironically, and then you misquote me? Or is it that you’re taking what I said out of given context?
I’d have the mind to keep this short since this seems like the latter, but, you presented yourself as upper class for being a hick, you should expect following judgement, you are equally to blame. Also, do not try to scrape for insults at the bottom of the barrel just because of the words I chose to use to excersize my point, in this case, you’re copping the fact that I called you ruthless.. as pointless, yet you pay mind to it.
As for calling me “boy” I did not go: “OMFG STFU STUPID KERRY HATER”, that too, I also judged purely on your choice of words, I am a grown man, you on the other hand need to form slightly more coherent thought to convince me otherwise. If you don’t want to be presented as ruthless, then you’d do best to present yourself in a manner which did not scream “I only care about my money and not the innocent people overseas.”
Lastly, I unless you read that I called you a noble altruist, then I did not say it, but I don’t expect any different, after all, you had to break down and tell me about your personal life when I did not ask for it. I am curious as to the point you were trying to make with your “metaphor” about Canada, though.
Nah, you even told me you’re not going to write more comments and then after asking me then you posted more.
When we spoke about this discussion on AIM, as far as I recall, you told me that you’d rather him hear it than you, I took that as “feel free to debate”. Since I clearly misunderstood you, I’ll stop from this point.
Nonononono, I’m just clarifying. You’re not doing anything that I didn’t say you could. I’m just being fair in saying that you were slightly contradicting yourself when you said you wouldn’t be commenting anymore.
I’m not bothered by this discussion at all; I’d rather it didn’t stop. 😛
I explained that, and with how he once again “sidewinded” away from the true heart of the matter, was proven, that and I explained afterward that I didn’t want to spam your journal. But okay.
Good points, all of them. I’m not educated or intelligent enough to refute them, so it would seem victory is yours =)
Please, correct me if I’m wrong. This is an observation.
You affirm your political stance due to the notion that what your candidate does is beneficial to you… to me, this “uncaring” seems like you’d rather have the candidate that punishes those below you. I’m sure I’m wrong in assuming that you care at all about anyone else, but still, when has anyone in history really wanted to hurt those “below” them, in furthering their cause? I can only think of one prominent mustachioed figure from the early 20th century…
Basically, your stance seems contrarian. You’d rather go against what everyone (in this case, those on LiveJournal) desires, because you know that, at least financially, you’re above a lot of them. But uh…
Do you really make more than $200,000 a year?
Do THESE people look like they make more than $200,000 a year?
Bob’s reason for voting for Bush certainly doesn’t seem like anyone else’s.
It’s gotta be that new chromed out lawnmower.
The gold plated toilet seat, actually =)
And that’s why we’re apologizing for what we’re about to do.
We’d rather take the states that went democratic along with the citizens, thank you very much. The rural areas will be happy with our conservative party and will enjoy hating the French while the liberal people can enjoy rule from a party with the values of the democratic party and the political savvy of the republicans.
Red states won’t miss places Boston, New York, Detroit and most of California anyway… It’s places like that that made it flyover country. As a deal sweetner… Red states get COMPLETE control over Nascar.
Well, tough shit. You don’t get the states. You get a choice: stay in a country that in the next four years is going to apparently raise Hell, or find another one.
Ooh, a redneck joke. Nice. So now Bush supporters are all Nascar loving hillbillies?
I think a bigger question would be, are all people who love Nascar hillbillies? I think you slandered people more than I did…
I’m simply stating Nascar is a lucrative business and exclusive control over it would generate a hefty amount of revenue that would more than make up for the loss of the democratic or ‘wrong’ states.
And of course we can’t take the blue states… The best ones like New York and Cali have republican governors in place… Who says checks and balances doesn’t work? =P
Oh, of course. You were just making a random statement about an arbitrary company that the red states tend to enjoy. My mistake. So sweet of you to offer it, Ran. You’re truly a selfless man.
Why are you being so testy? You’re supposed to be convalescing with thoughts of national unity after your months and months of vicious long term consequence having, nation seperating , ideological warfare.
I’m just saying many Canadians feel if you guys are gonna break up… We’d let the blue states stay with us for awhile. They’d be red up here.
I’m a Republican who was born and spent the first six years of his life on a southern tobacco farm. You came out and called us all rednecks. Why shouldn’t I be irritated?
Because showing your irritation kind of presents to anyone who may be watching that you agree with your own interpretation of my statement. Ergo the only person calling yourself a redneck with some sort of slander behind it, thus far is yourself.
It doesn’t show I agree with anything. It shows that I know that just because an insult was veiled, it’s still a damn insult.
Everybody associates Nascar with rednecks, racism, Confederate flags, and the like. That fact is indisputable. Should one of these third parties you mentioned actually read your “The red states can have Nascar!” comment, what do you think they’d think of first, Ran? Would it be “Wow, the South can have a big, successful business!”?
And no, I haven’t ever watched Nascar. I personally don’t care for it. But it’s still an unfair generalization to most of my family.
It wasn’t an insult. You’re very sensitive about it. Again it sounds like your issue isn’t with me but your heritage and maybe Nascar. Are you a self loathing republican?